From: Brian Holtz [brian@holtz.org] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 11:04 PM To: Alt.Atheism.Moderated Subject: Re: Science & atheism are cultures. "Jesse Nowells" wrote: > > Before a universe X comes into existence, it could be the case that > > none of the excluding properties (fictional, illusory, mind-dependent, > > etc.) actually applied to it. > > *Ideas* about universe X are mind-dependent We're not debating the definition of 'existence' for "ideas about" universes; we're debating the definition of 'existence' for universes. If you have one (other than the question-begging "not more than possible"), let's hear it. > >>> By the principle of the Identity of Indiscernables, I indeed assert > >>> such an equivalence. ... > > There is no discernable difference nor equivalence unless you're referring > to the actual world. The topic here is possible worlds other than the actual world, and whether they should be considered to 'exist'. If you can't deal with that topic, then we're done. -- brian@holtz.org http://humanknowledge.net