From: Brian Holtz [brian@holtz.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:31 PM
To: 'Rbstin@aol.com'
Cc: 'marketliberal@yahoogroups.com'; 'dtheroux@independent.org'; 'candidates2004@lpc.org'; 'airpower@budiansky.com'
Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor
Robert Stinnett wrote (in an email logged at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marketliberal/message/517):
RS: In an e-mail debate on December 14, 2004, (et al), with David Theroux,
President of the Independent Institute, Congressional candidate Brian Holtz relied
on 1950 era hoaxes in describing pre Pearl Harbor Japanese naval communication
intelligence obtained by the radio cryptographers of the US navy. 
     I will discuss the two major hoaxes embraced by Holtz.  Number one is
the JN 25 hoax.  Mr. Holtz mistakenly refers to the 1941 Japanese navy
operations code as JN-25.  Holtz is in major error.  The designator "JN-25" was
assigned as a USN designator for a series of Japanese naval codes adopted by Japan in
the 1943 era and later.  JN-25 was never used as a designator by either Japan
or the USN and her Allies in the 1941-40 era.
In responding to an email by me complaining about his discipline in quoting his sources, Stinnett fails to quote how I "relied on 1950 era hoaxes in describing" Japanese naval codes. My single use of "JN-25" was this:
BH: For the details about U.S. efforts against JN-25 (the Japanese naval code), see http://www.defensedaily.com/reports/PRObudiansky.htm.
I was simply pointing to a paper by Budiansky on the matter in question, and Stinnett's reply ignores my reference to the Budiansky paper.  Stinnett asserts I am "in major error" regarding JN-25, but he fails to quote a statement by me about it that he asserts (let alone shows) to be false.
RS:  By embracing the fake JN-25 designator, Holtz derails a factual
examination as to when America and her Allies solved Code Book D. 
I "derail" nothing. On the contrary: I pointed straight at the best arguments against Stinnett that I could find; I pointed out that Stinnett's recorded reply is inadequate; and I invited him to respond.  Instead of addressing the Budiansky paper or my evaluation of their debate, Stinnett here suspiciously removes Budiansky from the CC list. He continues with a series of unsourced assertions culminating in:
RS: The next day, November 16, Lieutenant Lietwiler informed Washington, DC
naval officials that he and his staff were "current" in intercepting, decoding
and translating the operations code. 
Astonishingly, Stinnett here repeats the same one-word out-of-context quotation that my email critiqued in detail:
BH: Stinnett quotes one word in claiming that a document says that an American codebreaking team "was “current” in intercepting, decoding and translating" the Japanese naval code. In fact, the document says "We are reading enough current traffic to keep two translators very busy, i.e. with their code recovery efforts etc. included." Stinnett's interpretation seems to ignore the distinctions among recording traffic, recovering code groups obfuscated via additive code pages, and decoding the underlying code groups. The document's use of "enough" and "code recovery efforts" contradict Stinnett's implication that all Japanese naval traffic was being read in nearly real time.
Stinnett today makes no answer to my criticism, and instead just repeats the criticized mis-citation. He continues:
RS:  His radio intercept operators were
obtaining about 1,000 Japanese military dispatches per day, according to the CAST
records.  USN communications records disclose that Lietwiler dispatched
translations/information to Hawaii disclosed by Code Book D, but there is no record
the dispatches were delivered to Kimmel.
These are Stinnett's third and fourth unsourced references to specific but unidentified "records". Given Stinnett's documented -- and unrebutted -- history of citing and quoting records out of context, I still think that Stinnett's use of source materials is too misleading to make fact-checking his other (unsourced) claims worth my time.
RS: Another hoax surfaced by Holtz in the debate, concerns the radio silence
doctrine that asserts the Japanese fleet did not transmit by radio while
enroute to Hawaii and the Central Pacific and were not picked up by the USN monitor
stations. 
 
RS: US Navy records, ignored by Holtz, confirm that the Japanese carrier
fleet and other Japanese military forces aimed at American bases at Hawaii, Wake,
and Guam were in "extensive communications" with one another as they
proceeded from Japan during the 11 day voyage from November 26 to December 7, 1941.   
Stinnett again references unspecified "records", and quotes just two words (apparently) from them. He completely ignores my fact-checking of one of his earlier citations:
BH: Stinnett says the codebreakers "obtained radio direction finder bearings on the Japanese forces en route to Pearl Harbor and identified the warships." Your site doesn't source this statement, but another site links it to a missing page on your site that I was again able to find in the Internet Archive (at http://web.archive.org/web/20031213104044/www.independent.org/tii/news/030204Stinnett.html.)  The original document in fact does not mention Hawaii at all, and instead talks about naval movements toward Formosa. The only carrier named in the report was not one of those that attacked Pearl.
Stinnett continues with yet another unsourced assertion and then a summary attack on me:
RS: USN monitor stations of the USN's West Coast Communications Network obtained
radio direction finder bearings locating the Japanese forces in the North and
Central Pacific proceeding eastward toward the American bases.
By refusing to acknowledge or even read the 1941 US naval records of the
success of American naval cryptographers regarding Japan's military plans for
Pearl Harbor, Mr. Holtz indicates he lacks basic military understanding.  
I made no claim to match the expertise or interest of Mr. Stinnett or Mr. Budiansky in the topic of 1941 US naval records. Instead I asserted that:
Stinnett's response today answers not a single one of the above points. (If he would like to try again, my original message is available at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marketliberal/message/513.)  Instead he closes with:
RS: Holtz was overwhelming rejected by the voters of California's Fourteenth
Congressional District in the November 2004 election. 
I find it odd that Stinnett apparently thinks that the outcome of my congressional race is relevant to this discussion.
 
Brian Holtz
Overwhelmingly rejected 2004 Libertarian candidate for Congress, CA14 (Silicon Valley)
http://marketliberal.org