From: Brian Holtz [brian@holtz.org]
Sent: Saturday,
November 20, 2004 6:21 PM
To: 'Joe Haik'
Subject: RE:
ROFL
As, usual you are lying. You told me that
you believe that Christianity is a myth, now you are
lying.
I said Christianity "offers
myths", I identified the Resurrection as one such myth, and when you said
that I call Christianity a "lie", I corrected you by saying "It's not a lie, it's a myth" in order to
contrast its mythical elements with its allegedly deceptive
elements.
But I obviously don't believe that the Jesus' entire
existence is a myth and I told you that I don't believe in a long list of
anti-Christian conspiracy theories about the Bible. One such conspiracy
theory is that Jesus never lived and is purely mythical. This thesis is called
the "Christ-myth", and this is what I was thinking of when I wrote eight days
later that Christianity "is not a myth".
It's simply not true that I have
ever made an intentionally false statement to you. Deceiving you would take
all the fun out of proving you're wrong, and then I'd have to be careful to not
re-use my lies to you against someone better-equipped to fact-check
them.
My position on Christianity is made
crystal-clear by my document refuting it. It's just ludicrous to suggest I would ever lie
about what I had said to you in a previous email, when it's so easy to do a text
search and find out what I actually said. But keep sputtering about
"lying" if that's what you need to do to convince yourself that the prima facie
power of my arguments must somehow involve deception.
I'm sure your son who passed on
would love to see you again,
but that isn't prob going to
happen
since as you put it, your superior
morally to God.
I'm morally superior to the deity
described in the sacred scrolls your mommy and daddy taught you to believe in.
But that's no big accomplishment, since as I pointed out, even Satan is morally
superior to Yahweh as the two are described in your scrolls. (I notice you have
no answer to the facts about Satan that I cited from your scrolls.)
So, looks like in forty years, or
when the Rapture happens,
your going to be roasting on
a spit.
could you tell me where Jesus body is?
No. Can you tell me the location of the body
of Jesus' mentor John the Baptist? Or his mother Mary? Or his brother
James?
I await another
theory.
try to present facts, like, nobody could have stolen Christ's body since
the stone was guarded
and too heavy. Sorry again to
present that fact.
Does your wife know you need mental help?
Or is she a mongoloid lib like you? Please, raise your kids right, so they
don't become mindless Christian haters with the 'no morality values' of
libs.
Sorry that Bush
won.
If you could destroy Christianity with
your hehe facts, there wouldn't be so many of us around and so many books
published.
I never said I could "destroy
Christianity".
Also, I checked out one of your authors
and went to his amazon reviews. Ok reviews, but it was funny how upon further
research, he was to debate an apologetics professor at a university and he
didn't show..Rofl. Typical, lib bomb throwing and running. Sorry hit you with
that, fact.
So when challenged with the arguments
in Martin's published book, you seek refuge in an unverified allegation
posted by a partisan reviewer on the Internet. You also told me you "could
paste a webcite that talks about how to make a penis grow by twice it's size".
It's so nice how you're able to use the Internet to find solutions for so many
of your personal challenges.
if Jesus didn't perform miracles, how come
nobody in his time refuted these.
They said he was using sorcery when they
saw his miracles.
False. You cannot name a single witness who
"saw his miracles" and called them sorcery. Also, aside from the people
mentioned in your own gospels above, none of the sources we have about "sorcery"
are from Jesus' time:
- Celsus dismissed the miracle
reports as the "tricks of jugglers" that he says are "feats performed by those
who have been taught by Egyptians" to e.g. "put in motion, as if alive, what
are not really living animals, but which have only the appearance of
life".
- The Jewish slanders reported by
Tertullian mention no credence in Jesus' miracles.
- The Barraitha account states
that Yeshu was convicted of "practicing sorcery" but does not credit him any
miracles.
- The anonymous
medieval Toledoth Yeshu account credits healing miracles to
Yeshu, but also says that at Jesus' trial before the "queen", "Judah
Iskarioto" flapped his arms and flew like an eagle.
I know, I know. The gospels
lied.